wfThe impression that I'm getting is that the parties on Whyte aren't that different from the parties that went on in Calgary in 2004, except for the attitude of the police and how the events are being reported in the media.Though I could be wrong.
That can't be Roloson. If Roloson took it into his head to fight two cops, there'd be nothing left but a few chunks of kevlar, serge, and half-digested cruller.
Hey, it's not like the bonfires were just anywhere--they were all nicely contained within shopping carts. Safety first; that's our motto around here.
Yeah. It can't be Roli.Here's a list of other Oil #35s:Mikhail ShtalenkovTommy SaloCraig Millar Bryan MuirAdam BennettRandy ExelbyMike GreenlayAndy MoogJim CorsiMy bet is on either Salo (with a dye-job) or Exelby.
Shtalenkov!Isn't that the goalie Sather traded for, and after looking at his 170 lb frame, decided to trade away almost immediately?Delicious.
By the same logic, that could be Nedved manacled in the paddywagon.
No way -- Nedved wore #93 while he was here. That's Smytty alright.
Didn't Shtelankov platoon with Essenssa for almost an entire season, or something?
Misha played a whopping 34 games for the Oil in 98/99 and had three shutouts.Sadly, after we traded that loveable Muscovite to Phoenix he only played 19 games and then got shipped to Florida, where he played another 15 before being run out of the league. The Sports Forecaster Hockey '97-'98 said that he "can handle the puck with aplomb".With aplomb, bitches!
Didn't Essensa wear 35, too? Or was that only with Winterpeg?
Those cops must have threatened to touch Roloson's gold.
Hi-res version, for posterity:Hi-Res PhotoHow Smytty had time for a shave and a haircut, I don't know.
This is one of the few times in my life where I'm actively cheering for the police.Some Oilers fans could use a good nightstick or two to the head!
You could use a nightstick to the chins and the nuts jes beeeeeyotch! It figures you're in Vancouver and probably hella jealous about our unstoppable run this year. As an Edmontonian and super oilers fan I say FU! Too bad your team lost to the sharks to not even make the playoffs... stfu and go suck off a Hastings cop if you like "actively cheering" for the fun stoppers.I love Gator for not even touching that bloody thing. Good karma!P.S. Sacamano and everyone else PLEASE no calling cup winners by Dvo or mention of sweep or shutout or anything else that would disturb the hockey gods during the finals! ;-)GOILERS!!!
After some of the dumbassery I witness the other night, I'm afraid I had to half-heartedly agree with Jes. Sure, the bonfires and fireworks were nice. Until the bonfires became the remnants of destroyed phonebooths, and fireworks were intentionally being set off into the crowds. Boourns.
Man, I need to proofread when I havn't been sleeping.
I hopr those fat pigs didn't actually eat those guys ...
And by "hopr" I mean, "really hopr."
"wfThe impression that I'm getting is that the parties on Whyte aren't that different from the parties that went on in Calgary in 2004, except for the attitude of the police and how the events are being reported in the media."Oh yah, because the Toronto based media wouldn't jump at the opportunity to embarrass Calgary on the national stage. I can't believe I just read that.
This whole thing has a "Vancouver in 94" crossed with a LA LAkers in 2000" sort of feel. Win or lose, someone's car is getting overturned and lit on fire.
sadly, we are imitating neither Van fans, Cal fans -- but our doing our own rendition of mid-80's riots down Edmonton's Jasper Ave.I haven't been going down to Whyte Ave, but some rational lot of fans have to begin stopping the mob behaviour.
Please explain how stepping between a drunk, flag-wielding, topless Oilers fan and his bonfire constitutes "rational behaviour".
Oh yah, because the Toronto based media wouldn't jump at the opportunity to embarrass Calgary on the national stage. I can't believe I just read that.Yes, because there are so many Toronto media types on the street here. All of the footage has been filtered through the local media, which has always sort of been skewed by the prudish 50+ community members.Not that I'm saying that these people aren't fucktards, and that dumb property damage isn't happening, it's just that the party isn't any different than what happened in Calgary two years ago. It was just reported differently then.
I think the problem is that there aren't enough bars down there.
All of the footage has been filtered through the local media, which has always sort of been skewed by the prudish 50+ community members.Riiight... so given the national spotlight, the Edmonton chapter of the "Stonecutters" chose to focus on the violence and retardedness of a select few as a way to sell the city? Or maybe media outlets, local or national, tend not to pass up the opportunity to report violence... especially when thousands of people flood the streets. Maybe.
Your opinion angers me to an irrational degree, enemy I've never met! Watch me to politicize your statements and react with childishly sarcastic vitriol! That'll settle anyone's hash!YAAAAAAHHHI'macommenter.
I thought it was pretty funny to hear some person phone into the Sonic radio station, and suggest the city cover the costs of police by selling alcohol and food to the people celebrating. There's so many things wrong with that, it boggles the mind.
Couldn't the city stage a free rock concert or something after home games? We've got that empty lot right in the middle of Whyte Ave by the Urban Lounge. Use it! That way, unruly fans have something to do rather than creating their own entertainment by lighting fires and smashing things.50,000 people went to Whyte to celebrate and there was no celebration at all. So, you've got 50,000 people wanting to party, wandering around, and absolutely nowhere to let off that steam. The bars are full, so you’re left in the street. Eventually, a few people with liquid courage are going to take it upon themselves to attract attention, and they get that attention because there are 50,000 people wandering around wanting to see something—anything—happen. I blame the city. We spent millions upgrading Churchill Square and it was completely empty after each playoff game. Why did we spend this money if it’s not going to be used? They could set up big screens to watch the game and have concerts there afterwards. I’m sure there are studies that prove this, but I’m sure this would decrease the chance of violence and vandalism substantially because people have something constructive to do, a way to celebrate an amazing achievement for the Oilers.I don’t think the answer is in increasing police presence, arresting more people, or hosing them down repeatedly, as was suggested by two city councilors. Give these people something to do. Prove to me that it wouldn’t work. I know I’d love to see a big free concert on Whyte. Wouldn’t you?-- Steve Lillebuen
The fact that a few people are setting fires and vandalising and acting like total idiots is quite normal for such a large crowd. I think that the damamge is really not that bad on whyte all considered. As long as people don't get beaten up, stabbed or shot then I say let them party it up because the damage costs are nominal in relation to what the avenue generates in business due to the games.I believe the same type of thing is happening here as it did in Calgary 2 years ago if I'm not mistaken and I think it would even be worse in places like Vancouver, Toronto and even Montreal due to the sheer size of those cities and those gun-toting gang members. Nevermind shivfest it would be shotfest in TO for example.Steve is right. The city would be smart to organize a concert or event at Churchill square or around whyte that would keep the crowds busy and occupied. Mob mentality proves such that if people have nothing to do and they are all liquored up then they will do stupid things for attention. It's a dangerous combination and the city would be better off if it organized a constructive event. Kind of like what they have for new year's downtown. Like I said as long as people are occupied they will be less likely to cause problems.
Funny how the Calgary Sun plays up the mess with stupid comments from Mayor Bronco, as though there wasn't a huge sigh of relief all across Cowtown (when the Flamers shit the bed) regarding the shitshow brewing on 17th Ave. Agreed, the City would probably be better off with some organization and planning. I hope it turns around, but I think that if you're gonna break shit, you need your head busted. Respect other people the way the players respect the other team.
It's an unfortunate sign of the times, but when you're of middle eastern decent, the growth of a playoff beard can get you into all sorts of trouble in airports. My ugly ass Oilers cap, though, has pretty well stayed on since we beat Detroit. Yesterday, while walking along the Vlatva River, the wearing of said cap inspired a round of "Go Oilers!" with a gang of Canadians. Pleased to report a small echo of the Whyte Avenue stupid joy way over here in Prague.
I like what Steve said. That would help a large majority of the problem, but there will always be shitbags in every crowd. Hopefully this doesn't escalate.I like 2 ideas, the free concert idea, and cop brutality on any dickheads who want to break, burn and steal anything. At least the majority of the people wouldn't be on the streets so the cops could do their jobs. Vancouver was a nightmare after the '94 Finals Game 7 loss. The biggest solution was RIOT Police.The riot (in the media) really overshadowed the Canucks Cup run. You really don't want that in Edmonton.
I guess the problem with those ideas would be the fact that they rely upon the outcome of a scenario over which the organizers have no control, i.e. the game. What if the Oilers lose on a planned night? Also, it might be hard to convince the already annoyed Strathcona residents that they should allow a loosely organized concert to start at midnight on what would usually be a weeknight. Also, such a concert would cost even more money, since they would undoubtedly need to hire staff and security.The problem isn't the fact that the city isn't embracing the celebrations. The problem is you're giving idiots an excuse and means to do what they normally want to do when they're drunk on Whyte ave. Except instead of getting arrested and charged, they just disappear in the crowd and nothing happens.
So what's next? Banning alcohol at games?
In all honesty, I don't know if it'll be as much as a problem anymore. The cops were quite liberal in what they were allowing on Saturday until things got out of hand. I think next time instead of letting some things pass, they'll take the extra steps and toss more people in the wagon before things escalate.
I actually think the way that the police handled themselves this Saturday was pretty good. This is the sort of bait that the cops chomped on in 2001 during the riot. The fact that they were able to deflate the situation with only a few arrests and a small amount of property damage is fairly admirable. I've seen some helecopter shots of the Chapters corner. There were a LOT of people there.
Also, have you guys seen the video of the guy who is talking to one of the news cameras while the phone booth is being ripped down and saying how disgusted he is with the vandals? It's pretty funny.
But don't forget Vancouver in '94 though. The Canucks fans were partying in the streets especially in the semis and when the Canucks came back from 3-1 versus the Rangers. It was 'peaceful' until the Canucks lost Game 7. Then there was a bit of a foul atmosphere. It could corelate. I believe there is a potential problem if the Oilers lose.
Riiight... so given the national spotlight, the Edmonton chapter of the "Stonecutters" chose to focus on the violence and retardedness of a select few as a way to sell the city? Or maybe media outlets, local or national, tend not to pass up the opportunity to report violence... especially when thousands of people flood the streets. Maybe.Although I shouldn't take the quasi-anon troll bait, here I go anyway.The local TV stations continue their coverage of the parties on Whyte ave as they have for the last month: with a half embarrassment that anyone would get drunk ever. This is a marked contrast to the coverage of the Calgary party at the same time two years ago. There the coverage was more along the lines of "look how much our city cares about our team."This most recent party had about five minutes where it got out of hand, this was picked up by the local media and pushed to an intense degree. The fact that they are talking about it so much, paired with some pretty good pictures, gets national coverage.If you want an example of a party that ended in a much worse way, but didn't get the same national coverage, just look at the Queens' week of welcome party. An entire street got trashed (and gets trashed almost every year) and there was almost no national coverage.I my mind this feeds into Edmonton's feelings of self hate. We play these stories of how embarrassing and pitiful we are, and then they get picked up and played on the national stage making us look embarrassing and pitiful. Self fucking fulfilling.And again, let me make it clear, I'm not apologizing for the dinkwallets destroying telephone booths. I'm just saying that they aren't as exceptional as many people seem to think, and that what they did, by itself, isn't the reason that it ended up on the National.
Steve Lillebuen, that was the smartest statement made in the comments section in awhile.I'm sure this is exactly a huge problem. 50,000 people and only 15 arrests is a ridiculously small percentage. Still, give the fans an outlet. Idle hands are the devils workshop.
Just so everyone knows, I stopped reading these comments after people starting arguing about media coverage, scrolled through 30-or-so posts, and low and behold, still arguing about the media coverage.Hey everyone, guess what! It's fucking media coverage! It means nothing, ever. Unless of course you're the kind of person that cared if everyone liked you in high school and you still obsess about it...Oh no, this post is bad media coverage about the relevance of media coverage!!! Start arguing about that now if you wish, I won't read it anyway.Back to what's important: GO OILERS!!! MY HEART IS GROWING LIKE THE GRINCH'S THIS PLAYOFFS! 35 TIMES IT'S ORGINAL SIZE!
I'm going to call you're bluff and say that you will read this ...Anyway, actually there wasn't much on media coverage in here except for me at the beginning, and then me responding to the troll who baited me. And then what you wrote.And really, it's less about media coverage than it is about the fact that Edmonton not-so-secretly hates itself. Which is a much more interesting topic.
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