Monday, July 3, 2006

Pronger no longer our problem... until the playoffs.

Well, can't say I'm thrilled with him staying in the conference (or the prospect of facing a one-two defensive tandem of Pronger and Scott Neidermayer), but you know, I'm pretty happy with the return.

Joffrey Lupul scored 28 goals last year, so he can help us right now offensively, while Ladislav Smid was a towering presence on the blue line for Portland in the AHL last year and looks to have a bright future. The first pick in 2007 and a conditional first and second in 2008 aren't anything to get too horny over, since they'll probably wind up in the bottom 10, but hey.

Overall, I'm not thrilled, but I'm not disappointed. We've addressed a scoring issue today and built ourselves up for the future, which is pretty much what I expected to happen. Of course, there remains the unpleasant business of our total lack of a number-one defenceman, but it's likely that Lowe isn't done deaing yet, I think. If we can sew up Spacek for a couple years and add a rock like Aaron Ward, we could probably get by playing a tighter defensive system bolstered by a few extra scorers up front. If nothing else, hopefully Pronger's brief presence showed Bergeron and Spacek that sometimes all you need to do is wrist it from the point. The loss of our PP quarterback will probably be what hurts us the most.

21 comments:

Brian said...

during the exceedingly brief bursts of sanity from guys at HF they're throwing out the idea that the Oilers may have enough draft ammunition to pursue an RFA like Pitkanen or Bouwmeester... which is interesting, especially because Philly is rubbing up against the cap.

Andy Grabia said...

Happy with the return? You are joking, right? A top 5 NHL player for a kid, a prospect, and draft picks? You ARE aware of how well we do with our draft picks, right?

Froster said...

I knew we wouldn't get fair compensation because GMs, obviously, just weren't looking to offer such a thing. So, in that respect, I guess we did alright; albeit, Lowe didn't really have a choice. However, it all really comes down to Smid. Lupul, I'm sure will do fine... the draft picks (judging by the team that ANA has now) will be low first-rounders... meh, fine; maybe we'll strike gold and hit another Ales Hemsky or Jarret Stoll... but if Smid steps in RIGHT AWAY and plays like one of the supposed top-10-best-prospects in world that he is... then, I'm at peace.

Right now, though, I'm still on the "we got fleeced" bandwagon.

Anonymous said...

You got fleeced.

Randy in the Med Hizzo said...

Defence - Spacek failed to impress with Chicago in the regular season, but that situation was confused. Matt Greene?
Power play - Jumbo Schremp will have every opportunity to make Craig Simpson look like a genius.
Anaheim - I can't let the botched Comrie trade go. Corey Perry and the first round pick in 04 that would have been Smid.
Also, I'm a little sick of hearing how CPronger is one of the best five players in the WORLD!!!. I can name five guys right now that kibosh that notion.

Anonymous said...

Jesus, people. You don't think we're actually going to keep those draft picks, do you? We know our scouting is bunk. I'm aware of the fact that this trade is not ideal. But the dealing isn't done yet, and I maintain this is a good start.

I mean, is this REALLY that much worse than Horton/Bouwmeester? Meester is clearly better than Smid at this point, but I think Lupul is better than Horton, so it evens out in the end. Lupul could be another Cheechoo with the right puck distributor. This is not a bad deal.

Weight for Hecht and Horacek? That's bad.

Karen said...

Pronger will be doing a conference call on 630ched at 2:30 MDT and then Kevin Lowe will be on at 3:00 MDT in case anyone's interested... I'm curious as to what both have to say about the trade.

Pleasure Motors said...

Ugh. Kevin Prendergast sounds a little defeated on CHED: "The guy didn't want to play here; what do they want us to do?"

He also implied that the Ducks would pretty much have to win the Cup, maybe go to the Finals, for the pick to be a number one. Which could easily, easily happen.

Andy Grabia said...

This is much worse than Bouwmeester/Horton. Much.

Anonymous said...

Alright, Andy. If you say so.

But seriously: if Florida didn't want to deal, and everyone else who may have been in the running had already stocked up on D on Canada Day, what the hell was Lowe supposed to get that would have been so much better, exactly?

Like it or not, we were kind of handcuffed on this. Every team in the league knew there was no way Pronger would play in Edmonton. That put us at a bargaining disadvantage, and I think this return is more or less par for what we've been expecting all along: young forward, young d-man, first-round pick.

It's folly to think that Pronger was an asset we could have chosen to keep. He wasn't. Pronger was gone the day after we lost the Cup, and Lupul and Smid is pretty good for a guy that was, in reality, only passing through.

Anonymous said...

last post was from me.

chris!

Anonymous said...

Aaron Ward signed with the Ranegrs.

Anonymous said...

I will happily Boo Pronger whenever he comes to Edmonton or Calgary.

Rinkadink.

Loops is a good pick up, watched him play in the Hat. The Oil NEEEEEEED another defenseman though. Carney would have been good.

Paul O-the O stands for Sports said...

The "we need to wrap Spacek up" sentiment amuses me. Dave, Steve Smith and I had a discussion about Boris Mironov a couple weeks back, specifically how he was the exact type of #1 defenceman that you wqould expect from a team finishing 10th in their conference. I lump Spacek in the same boat. And yet, he's also the best D-man out there.

Anonymous said...

I like the return. Lupul is a 40 goal guy and Smid is at the same point in his development as Bouwmeester. I think the key is going to be signing Spacek and possibly trading for someone like Martin or Stuart, because both Boston and Jersey are going to have HORRIBLE salary cap issues.

Dennis said...

For the guy that said the Weight deal was worse...Hecht in July of '01 was a 24 year old who'd come off scoring 19 goals and 44 points in a league that wasn't as goal friendly as as a 22 year old Lupul played in during the '06 season.

Smid should kick Horachek's ass BUT:

- Pronger's value is significantly more than Weight's and

- Weight had a list of teams he would've went to so Lowe's hands were sorta tied in one scnario, ie he could've dealt Weight at the deadline in '01, and with the Pronger thing he had carte blanche.

final note here...for those who are gonna hear about JL being a one shot scorer we all heard the same thing about Jochen back then too. That was before he became content to lug the puck around the net without shooting and before he blazed a Pronger trail by hating the fuck out of the city of Edmonton

bigleaguer said...

Weight for Hecht and Horacek? That's bad.

That's nothing. Try Miro Satan for Craig Millar and Barrie Moore. The Pronger deal's way better than that, but that's like saying Saskatoon's way better than Regina.

Dano said...

Actually the Oilers drafting performance has impproved in recent years since Pendergast has taken over. Barry Fraser was living on past drafting performance glories the last ten years of his service. Good example: drafting Steve Kelly one pick ahead of local boy Shane Doane at a draft hosted in Edmonton. Doane's still playing, Kelly's long gone.

Coluch said...

Really though Chris!, I don't think Pronger wanting to leave ga ve Lowe a bargaining disadvantage... he was legally bound to play in Edmonton whether he wanted to or not. K-lowe could have waited until half way through the seaon if he wanted, and Prongs would've HAD to play. A refusal would've resulted in fines, possible legal action, and a huge loss in market value & the odds that any team would even want him.

It's all in the past now, indeed, but I doubt Lowe was forced to trade him immediately, after all, it DID take a bold GM like Burke to step up and get a deal done before Prongs slipped away. Two of the great GM's exchanging bargaining chips like that excites me for some reason, and I'd almost like to see an Oilers and nouveau-DUCKS (sans-the-mighty) rivalry.

Coluch said...

Also, i like the name Joffrey!

Snoogins.

case said...

he better not play like that toys'r'us giraffe.