Friday, April 11, 2008

I approve.


$4 million over six years, per TSN. I especially like the six years part of the deal. $4 million is a bit much for a guy that's played one full season in the league, but what can you expect? As an Oilers' defenceman of the future, he's already a better bet than what we had with Eric Brewer (currently making $4.5 million) and the Oilers have him locked up through most of his prime. A nice, decisive first move of the off-season for Kevin Lowe.

**UPDATE** I Approve, More So

I think Kevin Lowe just saved that 500,000 or so in salary cap money that some of us have been quibbling about this afternoon: Robert Nilsson has been signed for a three-year, $5.5 contract ($1.83 million a year).

Again, I like the years on this contract. All in a day's work!

38 comments:

Scarlett said...

I like! $4 mill is not bad, especially since he was the Oilers best d-man and he's only in his first full year. So good 6 years! I like!

Chris! said...

Yes! But what does this mean for Pitkanen?

Matt said...

But what does this mean for Pitkanen?

I think that means that Brownlee is right.

DMFB said...

I like this, too, but we better get one hell of a return for Pitkanen.

heed said...

mike,

you and i are in agreement on this deal. the folks posting over at lowetide's site are already sharpening their pitchforks and lighting the torches.

mike w said...

Surely we can trade Stoll/Torres and make up the difference in salary?

heed said...

we still have $15 - $18M to sign nilsson, glencross, grebs and pitkanen. however i think torres plus something is gone. who knows what that something is but do we really need a top 6 forward? is there any elite shutdown guys with a whole lot of "asshole" in their game available? do we even have to part with that much to get this mystery jerk?

PunjabiOil said...

I think it's a terrible contract. Just terrible. I refer you to my blog for the reasoning.

LittleFury said...

What sinks this for me is that it means Pitkanen is a goner, despite being the younger and more talented player. I don't much like the D going forward without him.

mike w said...

If I made a shortlist that I'd build the team around, it'd include Gilbert (AND Pitkanen).

I don't expect 40 points a year: but he's one of the better EV strength guys, plays tough opposition, and at 25 he's just entering his prime. As a RFA we can't pretend that other teams haven't noticed, either.

How much is he worth to you guys?

Middling veteran defenceman seem to make an avergae of $2.5 million a year these days, and puck-movers are at a premium.

heed said...

pitkanen is 8 months younger. you must be one of those guys that says your 22 and a half.

rumor has pitkanen's camp asking for $5M+.

there is still the possibility of use rolling into next year with both.

the cap will go up sure as the average price of an nhl ticket goes up. anyone who thinks that the US dollar is going to make some sort of miraculous come back doesn't realize that the sub prime mortgage disaster is only step one. please feel free to hold your breath waiting for the zero interest car loan crisis and the credit card crunch fiasco thatare sure to follow.

Black Dog said...

I figured 3.5 Million per and I'm always low.

I would prefer they keep Joni too but I think its a no-go.

Way it goes now - big money on these guys. Matt Carle got a contract like this last summer and was a scratch game one for the Sharks.

Its a gamble. I like Gilbert though - I think its worthwhile.

If they only had not signed you know who!

Jesse said...

is there any elite shutdown guys with a whole lot of "asshole" in their game available?

The elite part is open to debate, but I heard the Flyers have a pretty good UFA shut-down defenceman. Jason something, I think. I wonder if he'd want to live in Edmonton, though?

heed said...

jesse,

i was thinking more in the forward category.

LittleFury said...

rumor has pitkanen's camp asking for $5M+.

there is still the possibility of use rolling into next year with both.


Like I said over at PJO's place, I don't see this team going forward with three D making $4M+. Gilbert, Pits and Souray aren't Niedermayer, Pronger and Schneider.
There's also the small matter of Grebs and the rest of the RFAs: their prices just jumped.

It's a total gamble and maybe that's the way of things these days, and I do like Gilbert a lot, but I just have a bad feeling about this.

heed said...

gilbert would have gotten $3.5M per season no matter what. i would be willing to bet pjo's left nut on that. i agree it is a gamble but at least the odds are somewhat in the betting man's favor. in the old days, a guy like jason allison wold be getting this money for his farewell tour. now he's sitting at home like you and i.

LittleFury said...

i agree it is a gamble but at least the odds are somewhat in the betting man's favor.

That's all well and good, but our betting man has got his car keys in the pot on the blackjack table, the deed to his house riding on the roulette wheel and now he's heading to the slots with the kids' tuition savings. God help us if he discovers the ponies.

If I may mix up my metaphor here, Lowe has a lot of balls in the air right now in terms of these types of gambles, which doesn't do much to counter my perception of him as a guy who just makes shit up as he goes along.

heed said...

the life of an oiler fan is a difficult road to travel. the contract makes me nervous too but not as nervous as seeing the kid walk for $3.5M and having a draft pick to how for it.

PunjabiOil said...

gilbert would have gotten $3.5M per season no matter what.

Tyutin - 2.84M cap hit, 4 years.
Daniel Girardi - 2 years, 1.55M cap hit.

Of course none of these guys gave up their UFA years - but on a short term contract, Gilbert was not going to get more than 2-2.75M, especially with only 1 year of pro experience.

mike w said...

gilbert would have gotten $3.5M per season no matter what.

I agree with that statement. The way I see it is that instead of letting him walk for $5 million in 2-3 years, Lowe paid the extra half mill to keep him in the fold until 2014.

mike w said...

Gilbert was not going to get more than 2-2.75M, especially with only 1 year of pro experience

But he'd be crazy to sign more than 1-2 years...

I think that with defenceman it goes against the GM's leverage if the defenceman in question is playing (reasonably well) on the top pairing in his rookie year.

heed said...

awesome comparables. aside from age, i see no similarity.

let's just agree to disagree. i assumed going in he would get $3.5M over 4 years. you clearly want to negotiate with every player on an annual basis. i guarantee you put your contract in front of gilbert's agent and he kicks you in the nuts and tells you he's willing to wait it out.

this is professional sports contracts we are talking about, not haggling for leather goods in tijuana.

Scarlett said...

I still think there is room for Joni (if he comes off his high horse) but you're right....Stoll/Torres need and should be moved.

LittleFury said...

Make room for Pits by moving Stoll and/or Torres and you're robbing Peter to pay Paul. Someone has to then step in up front which, barring trades or signings, means more youth stepping in. And we're back on the merry-go-round.

mike w said...

Make room for Pits by moving Stoll and/or Torres and you're robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Well, in a perfect world, Lowe would make amends for his past mistakes by trading Souray or Roloson or Penner for Jody Shelley and a bag of ketchup chips.

What can I say, though, I think finding even-strength warriors are easier to find on the cheap than puck-moving D-men. I don't actually want to lose Torres, though.

LittleFury said...

Well, it's clear that someone-either one of the people looking for a dela this year or one of th evets down the road-is going to get the shitty end of the stick.

God. Horcoff is going to go the way of Smyth, isn't he?

DMFB said...

Horcoff is going to go the way of Smyth, isn't he?

Allow me to be the first to call out that money-grubbing prick for not taking his hometown discount, and also celebrate Lowe for not giving into the demands of such a selfish, greedy asshole.

I also look forward to giving up our 2010 first-round pick for the RFA signing of David Krejci.

LittleFury said...

Allow me to be the first to call out that money-grubbing prick for not taking his hometown discount, and also celebrate Lowe for not giving into the demands of such a selfish, greedy asshole.

You negelected to mention the fact that he was never an eite number one centre.

Slipper said...

I'd rather hae Brodziak at 3.9 than a glorified third line center like Horcoff at 5.5 anyday.

mike w said...

Heh heh.

LittleFury said...

Holy shit. Word is Nilsson's inked. 3 years $5.5. Total, not per.

mike w said...

Shit!

A $400,000 raise? I'll take it!

DMFB said...

Was Lowe worried the RFA signing period started at the end of the season, or what?

Also, that's a really nice contract for Nilsson.

heed said...

can we lynch lowe while praising him? is that possible?

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racerx_gto said...

To play Devil's advocate here...What if someone did tender an offer sheet to Pits? Would it be so bad? Maybe this is in the plans??? If he is asking for upwards of $5Mil then a team's offer would result in compensation to the Oilers of 4 first round draft pics. I'm pretty cool with that.

mike w said...

If he is asking for upwards of $5Mil then a team's offer would result in compensation to the Oilers of 4 first round draft pics. I'm pretty cool with that.

Me too, although I don't want to see him moved. It seems likely that he's gone anyway if the rumblings we're hearing are correct...

Lady_Byng said...

Nilsson's deal is actually 6 mil over 3 yrs, not 5.5.

As for Torres, have any of you really honestly missed him in the line-up from his injury? I used to (*used to* being the key words) love Torres and defend his streakiness to the death, but after he was out injured I didn't really miss him at all. I even forgot he was on our team after awhile. And that's saying alot considering I loved him blindly since we got him from the Isles.
I say Stoll deserves another chance, but Torres, screw him; Glencross basically stole his job while doing it on 4th line ice time.